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Re: [PF]德魯伊戰力
« 回帖 #320 于: 2011-06-26, 周日 11:09:29 »
>>Unarmed Strikes and Natural Weapons

Just as a creature can add weapon attacks to a full attack made with natural weapons, so too can it combine unarmed attacks with natural weapons. Two options are available to accomplish this task.

A creature can choose to treat its unarmed attacks as its primary attacks and its natural weapons as secondary attacks. (This method is normally used to add weapon attacks to a natural attack routine.) The creature must make all unarmed attacks with its primary limb, which prevents that hand from being used for a natural attack such as a claw or slam. It uses its full base attack bonus for the natural attack, gaining additional attacks as normal for a high base attack bonus, and adds its full Strength bonus on damage rolls. Of course, each of these attacks provokes an attack of opportunity if the target is unarmed (unless the creature has Improved Unarmed Strike). However, its natural weapons all become secondary attacks, taking the -5 penalty on attack rolls (or -2 with the Multiattack feat) and adding only half the monster's Strength bonus on damage rolls

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20070403a

雖然是3R  有PF駁斥這種說法的也請拿出來
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Re: [PF]德魯伊戰力
« 回帖 #321 于: 2011-06-26, 周日 11:13:28 »
nature weapon attack是可以和weapon attack共用,但这并不能支持功夫老虎……
至于improved unarmed strike就是給你可以視同NA的MWA,这么判得要把phb的文字拿出来绕好几个弯做好些个假设才行。
这么麻烦还不如直接兼一级monk。。。

ps.这不是说我认为兼monk就可以做功夫老虎,事实上我觉得这还是很扯。
pss.看,又吵了3页了吧。


雖然在D&D裡面玩功夫熊貓很噁心
不過某人就是硬要逼別人連這種東西都做出來才滿意  我也不能不回應一下戰力廚唄

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Re: [PF]德魯伊戰力
« 回帖 #322 于: 2011-06-26, 周日 11:16:37 »
>>Unarmed Strikes and Natural Weapons

Just as a creature can add weapon attacks to a full attack made with natural weapons, so too can it combine unarmed attacks with natural weapons. Two options are available to accomplish this task.

A creature can choose to treat its unarmed attacks as its primary attacks and its natural weapons as secondary attacks. (This method is normally used to add weapon attacks to a natural attack routine.) The creature must make all unarmed attacks with its primary limb, which prevents that hand from being used for a natural attack such as a claw or slam. It uses its full base attack bonus for the natural attack, gaining additional attacks as normal for a high base attack bonus, and adds its full Strength bonus on damage rolls. Of course, each of these attacks provokes an attack of opportunity if the target is unarmed (unless the creature has Improved Unarmed Strike). However, its natural weapons all become secondary attacks, taking the -5 penalty on attack rolls (or -2 with the Multiattack feat) and adding only half the monster's Strength bonus on damage rolls

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20070403a

噗, 我们不是在讨论PF么, 或者说这帖子不是在讨论PF的D的战力么.
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你要说3r那D更弱啊.
* aland 继续锤地.

而且3R的话rotg确实早就说清楚了丫, 我N早就跟人提过了.
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Re: [PF]德魯伊戰力
« 回帖 #323 于: 2011-06-26, 周日 11:18:14 »
另外3R我连hydra骑犀牛双倍冲锋都做出来过, 但还不是比不过那一堆.
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Re: [PF]德魯伊戰力
« 回帖 #324 于: 2011-06-26, 周日 11:19:33 »
你要PF我就給你PF吧
這是核心的戰鬥規則

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat

You can make attacks with natural weapons in combination with attacks made with a melee weapon and unarmed strikes, so long as a different limb is used for each attack. For example, you cannot make a claw attack and also use that hand to make attacks with a longsword. When you make additional attacks in this way, all of your natural attacks are treated as secondary natural attacks, using your base attack bonus minus 5 and adding only 1/2 of your Strength modifier on damage rolls. In addition, all of your attacks made with melee weapons and unarmed strikes are made as if you were two-weapon fighting. Your natural attacks are treated as light, off-hand weapons for determining the penalty to your other attacks. Feats such as Two-Weapon Fighting and Multiattack can reduce these penalties.

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Re: [PF]德魯伊戰力
« 回帖 #325 于: 2011-06-26, 周日 11:20:24 »
Q: Can a monk take Improved Natural Attack to increase his unarmed strike damage?

A: (James Jacobs/Jason Bulmahn 11/4/09) Jason crunched his numbers and the official errata is this - the Improved Natural Attack feat can not be applied to unarmed strike. We'll be issuing an errata for that feat that adds this sentence to the feat:"Improved Natural Attack can not be applied to unarmed strikes. "Unarmed strikes ARE still treated as natural weapons for most effects (particularly for the spell magic fang and for amulets of magic fang), but the Improved Natural Attack feat is an exception to that rule. So! There ya go! Official errata! Sorry it took so long to nail it down. [Source]

咦, 为什么条文都是我在找呢? 说好的蓝白条纹呢?!

你这个qa也有问题,我明明记得faq是支持improved nature attack上monk unarmed strike的。
时间隔太久了客服已经忘记以前faq是怎么写的了吧。
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Re: [PF]德魯伊戰力
« 回帖 #326 于: 2011-06-26, 周日 11:22:38 »
事实上关于monk, unarmed strike, nature weapon这块互相矛盾的faq和rules of game有一大堆……
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Re: [PF]德魯伊戰力
« 回帖 #327 于: 2011-06-26, 周日 11:23:35 »
所以你直接帖这段不就好了么, 这misleading也cast真绝妙.
但只是从你提出来的那句话来看, 没有后面这段的支持也是不成立的.
而且这twf的penalty...不照样囧么.
还是说我们又要开始讨论多打vsPA这种老问题?
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Re: [PF]德魯伊戰力
« 回帖 #328 于: 2011-06-26, 周日 11:24:27 »
Q: Can a monk take Improved Natural Attack to increase his unarmed strike damage?

A: (James Jacobs/Jason Bulmahn 11/4/09) Jason crunched his numbers and the official errata is this - the Improved Natural Attack feat can not be applied to unarmed strike. We'll be issuing an errata for that feat that adds this sentence to the feat:"Improved Natural Attack can not be applied to unarmed strikes. "Unarmed strikes ARE still treated as natural weapons for most effects (particularly for the spell magic fang and for amulets of magic fang), but the Improved Natural Attack feat is an exception to that rule. So! There ya go! Official errata! Sorry it took so long to nail it down. [Source]

咦, 为什么条文都是我在找呢? 说好的蓝白条纹呢?!

你这个qa也有问题,我明明记得faq是支持improved nature attack上monk unarmed strike的。
时间隔太久了客服已经忘记以前faq是怎么写的了吧。

大概是因为我帖的是PF的...
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Re: [PF]德魯伊戰力
« 回帖 #329 于: 2011-06-26, 周日 11:24:44 »
要不是你記錯規則,哪來這麼多問題?