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Green Ronin 決定不簽 GSL
« 于: 2008-07-16, 周三 00:48:02 »
活躍的第三方出版商之一的綠色浪人 (Green Ronin) 宣佈決定暫時不會簽 GSL, 也不會以 GSL 推出 4e 資源.
目前唯一的計劃是以 OGL 推出 4e 角色紙.

有點可惜. 不過也許他們會專心他們獨特的 RPG 線, 例如冰與火之歌 RPG, M&M, True20 等.


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Green Ronin announce that they will not be using the GSL and will only be producing 1 4ed product this year, which will be released under the OGL.
As announced on Green Ronin's website, Chris Pramas has stated their relationship with the GSL and their intention not to produce any 4ed products in the short term.

I know a lot of fans have been waiting to find out if Green Ronin is going to support 4th Edition Dungeons & Dragons and it's a fair question. Green Ronin's second product ever was Death in Freeport, an adventure for 3rd Edition that debuted the same day as the Player's Handbook almost eight years ago. We went on to do quite a lot of 3E support, ending only a couple of months back with the d20 Freeport Companion. Now Wizards of the Coast is terminating the d20 license and offering a different way to support the new edition of D&D. It's called the Game System License and we waited from August of last year until June of this year to see it. We've spent the last few weeks reviewing the license and discussing it internally and we have come to a consensus.

Green Ronin will not be signing the Game System License (GSL) at this time.

We plan to do one product in support of 4E: the Green Ronin Character Record Folio. This will be an update of the d20 System Character Record Folio and we'll be publishing it under the Open Game License (OGL).

Other than that we'll be giving our full attention to our own game lines: Mutants & Masterminds, A Song of Ice and Fire Roleplaying, True20 Adventure Roleplaying, and Freeport: The City of Adventure.

We had hoped to include 4E support in our plans, but the terms of the GSL are too one-sided as they stand. We certainly do not blame Wizards of the Coast for wanting to defend their intellectual property and take more control over the type of support products D&D receives. We do not, however, feel that this license treats third party publishers as valued partners. Under its terms WotC could frivolously sue a signatory for supposed violations of the GSL, lose the actual court case, and still ruin the winning company because the license specifies that the signatory has to pay WotC's legal fees. Also, the GSL can be changed at any time and WotC is not legally required to so much as inform its licensees.

Let me be clear in stating that I don't think that the people in charge of WotC currently are just waiting to attack companies with frivolous lawsuits. Once you sign the GSL though, you open yourself up to that at any point in the future. Who knows when new people will take over the D&D brand and who can say what their vision will be? Who knows when the political winds at WotC will change again and things will get even more restrictive? We do not want to operate under such a cloud moving ahead so that's why we won't be signing the GSL.

This means the Green Ronin Character Record Folio is the only 4E compatible product you'll be seeing from us this year and likely for 2009 as well. Perhaps WotC will revise the GSL in the positive way, but we cannot build our business on maybes. We know this will disappoint those of our fans who have embraced 4E and we're sorry about that. We have to make the best business decision for Green Ronin's future and right now this is it.

Thank you for your continued support.

Chris Pramas
President
Green Ronin Publishing
« 上次编辑: 2008-07-16, 周三 00:51:55 由 Sheepy »
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« 回帖 #1 于: 2008-07-16, 周三 10:19:15 »
嗯,现在的GSL对于像GR这样的第三方,吸引力很小阿……说白了,就是要人家帮他们开发dnd嘛。我想知道除了Pazio外,还有哪个公司下了决心要跟进(我承认没关注= =)

而且他们说的很直白:
We had hoped to include 4E support in our plans, but the terms of the GSL are too one-sided as they stand. We certainly do not blame Wizards of the Coast for wanting to defend their intellectual property and take more control over the type of support products D&D receives.

于是还要继续等待……我其实希望看到 没有几个公司 愿意跟进=。=

虽然说3E OGL让他们很不爽,但是不能否认,3E OGL的确造就了不少出色的 “d20.改” 系统,比如GR他们自己的几个重磅产品~恩恩(GR不早就开始卖True 20的授权了么@@)……还有好多其他的就不列举了……

whatever,我现在越来越想投奔其他rpg了……sheepy jj看的blue rose如何?

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« 回帖 #2 于: 2008-07-16, 周三 11:50:16 »
回頭看一次公告, 發現我的想法和他們一致, 都是專注在現有產品線上...



我覺得一般的 D&D 玩家, 特別是中國的, 可能會對 True20 的認受度較高.

一來它比較新, 二來它比較 d20 (即使單純因為名字有 20), 三來丟掉世設後規則書變得很薄, 也不會有被視為提倡同性戀的禁書.

問題是,我找不到多少 T20 的... 唔... 下載資源。即使它的出版物比 Blue Rose 更多。可能是因為新。




Blue Rose, 作為一套針對小眾的小眾的 Romantic Fantasy, 無可避免地會引出比較極端的意見.
例如它很濃的童話感覺, 雖然它想包含奇幻 TRPG 的元素但感覺會有點生硬; 西式的帕拉圖理想國和極開放的性取向可能會離異一些立場較強烈的玩家.
印像中它在戰鬥方面的著墨也比較少.

相對地, True20 作為獨立於世設以外的簡化規則, 可能會較易為現有玩家接受. 它有 GURPS 的自由性, 但沒有學習全新系統的難度.
也有一些與 Blue Rose 不同的細節, 例如重甲會減低傷害但 AC 效果不比輕甲好.


無論如何,會疲累的施法者和大大簡化但同時比較自由的施法系統都很吸引人。現在有了 4e,相比之下會覺得它可以再簡化一點,但系統本身是很多有趣的點子。

嗯...
« 上次编辑: 2008-07-16, 周三 11:50:35 由 Sheepy »
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« 回帖 #3 于: 2008-07-16, 周三 14:36:38 »
I once played Blue Rose for two weeks or so, at level 7, which is quite a high level, as I think. It's quite fantastic, if I may say. The setting of rhy-people(one of the players is a rhy-cat who likes to investigate human habits) is really interesting. About romance, well, I didn't take part in any romance during the time, but the idea about romance relies mainly in the DM and story, right? So the rules is interesting, and that's all I want to say.  

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« 回帖 #4 于: 2008-07-16, 周三 15:15:37 »
Somehow I love rhy-horse and rhy-dolphin more. =v=

If you ask me?  I quite love the setting.  But do I need T20 for telepath animals? I am using them in my campaign now, straight from BR...
« 上次编辑: 2008-07-17, 周四 00:22:01 由 Sheepy »
(10:23:05 PM) 欧剃: 咩的笑话一般不仅冷,而且是黑漆漆的阴冷?
(10:23:11 PM) 布布: 这只是,对别人来说是掉SAN值的腹黑,对咩来说仅仅是笑话而已
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« 回帖 #5 于: 2008-07-17, 周四 00:09:19 »
http://greenronin.com/Merchant2/merchant.m...ory_Code=true20

如果我没记错,绝大部分都有irc下载……当然,还包括Mutants & Masterminds

对于blue rose,看来我还是继续没有太多爱@@
thx~sheepy and bobbyliu:)

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« 回帖 #6 于: 2008-07-17, 周四 07:55:39 »
rhy-cat很可爱~很好捏~~

rhy-horse没感觉……rhy-dolphin我们的DM不开,说“除非你能找到办法在陆地上生活”=_#

其实世界设定我是没仔细看啦XD
当时只是想着做卡加入就是了。
颇有一些值得称道的地方,比如说什么光性格暗性格(啊……Twilight这个词好萌~),比如说用专长代替DnD里面各种能力,之类的
 

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« 回帖 #7 于: 2008-07-18, 周五 13:34:46 »
我其實翻了 T20 頭兩三章的重點規則,不過碰到專長的名字時就卡住了...



我覺得有一個很簡單的測試去看你適合不適合藍色玫瑰:

藍色玫瑰有一個官方冒險,叫青蛙公主。
冒險的第三頁是大約八百字的青蛙公主的"童話"故事,要角有青蛙公主、王子、和國王。
故事一開始,國王想了個碰运氣的方法找兒媳。大王子配了名門望族,二王子配了富室千金,只有小王子落到沼澤裡,配到一隻青蛙,無奈地娶牠為小公主。
不幸地,也許新婚之吻魔力不夠強,結婚後牠還是一隻青蛙...

聽到這兒,你還有興趣讀下去嗎?還是覺得這算那門子的冒險?如果有興趣,你大概會適合...
« 上次编辑: 2008-07-19, 周六 09:39:43 由 Sheepy »
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« 回帖 #8 于: 2008-07-18, 周五 20:13:42 »
欸?蠻有趣的嘛……
Aa' i'sul nora lanne'lle
Aa' menle nauva calen ar' ta hwesta e' ale'quenle
Aa' menealle nauva calen ar' malta
Aa' lasser en lle coia orn n' omenta gurtha

Amin harmuva onalle e' cormamin
Amin khiluva lle a' gurtha ar' thar
Amin naa lle nai, a'maelamin
Cormamin niuve tenna' ta elea lle au'

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« 回帖 #9 于: 2008-07-18, 周五 21:04:43 »
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欸?蠻有趣的嘛……
欸?难道说你想开这样的团? :rolleyes: