[苹果园公投]如果4E会减少职业, 你觉得没了哪个职业不会太心痛?

[Sigel]

Don't think they will ever remove rogues. I don't feel its an adventure, or to be more precise, a Dungeon, without a rogue. They may remove rogue as a class(call it a thief), but what is the difference if we have a dual wield, trap searching, soloable, sneaky, err, light-armored warrior.

[hcl67]

投了诗人，我的团里有个对诗人和铁罐很有爱的人，不过貌似没人对诗人有爱。

[fingreen]

死?#092;
Rogue - I hate the fact that rogue are often needed in a group just to find and disable trap.  It totally does not make sense when rogue can learn so much while other people can learn so little... (stupid skill stuff)  They also takes forever and ask so many stupid questions and roll dice too often. check a check b check c... Xuck Oxx. ""Stop rolling and you found nothing.""
 

血牛
To ... Fighter - I voted for these general / not defined in detail guy.

To ... Ranger - I personally think they are just a fighter with wolfy.

To ... Paladin - Stupid Cleric with sword

法師
Wizard/ Soccer/Bard - The spellcasters. 

Bard is like half a wizard + half a rogue that sings.
Wizards has huge problem IMO. They needs to study and not doing advantures. They are like memorize spells and using cheat codes (the spell). I don't like reading spell everyday however I do like to limit the amount of spell learned.

Soccer is cool. I would think that the way soccer learn spells are by feeling them. They sense the magic power and tune them into the form they want. I like the concept of Soccer... It's because mgaic should be more intuition kind of thing instead of learning.

Divine!!! 神聖
Druid - I love the wildshape stuff... but they can totally combine with cleric.

Cleric - I hate these healing guys. In Role Playing and Game Playing perspective... they are so boring.

Monk...武松打虎是英雄
I love them but.... they are just weak.


BTW I hate 血牛 戰士去死吧

[Sheepy]

Rogue - I hate the fact that rogue are often needed in a group just to find and disable trap.  It totally does not make sense when rogue can learn so much while other people can learn so little... (stupid skill stuff)  They also takes forever and ask so many stupid questions and roll dice too often. check a check b check c... Xuck Oxx. ""Stop rolling and you found nothing.""
 

所以才會說, D&D 的職業系統是為保護特色而存在的. 你看 Saga, 隨便抓個平民給一個專長就可以開始堆原力, 隨便抓個戰士或甚至貴族都可以用光劍... 沒特色嗎? 特色只是回到 DM 的手裡而已.
如果你真討厭這個, UA 的變化職業配合兼職是不錯的解決辦法.

流氓的超高技能也不是沒有代價: 一是你要堆智力, 二是很多技能吃護甲減值, 三是很多技能的用處非常特定又/或非必要 (鎖? 你可以開的, 戰士只要時間就可以解決. 爬? 其他人已經飛上去了), 四是用 BAB 及血換的. 法師換來了法術, 流氓及詩人以略低的代價換來了技能.

對於最後一點, 我只會對 DM 說我的角色取十或取二十搜索...

[密银马甲]

投了战士。
因为寻林，蛮子和啪啦叮的能力都能通过天赋树来获得（生存技能，狂暴，神圣之类的），但只许选一个，于是投了原体
诗人倒是个不错的NPC。我在团里放出1名纯堆提振士气的热血摇滚诗人NPC（6级提振士气+5），对缺少打击手的队伍帮助很大（尤其寻林，那欢快的速射呀）。
但除了唱歌和活跃气氛外确实没什么别的用处……  

[AlbertNi]

还是投了sor。。。感觉和wiz太雷同了。。。虽然我也想看没有dru的ad会怎么样。。。

[AlbertNi]

至于说到sor的什么血统，寻求认同和归属之类rp向的东西。。。我觉得更适合psi。。。

[Sheepy]

我的確聽到過取消 Sor 以 Psi 代替的呼聲... 不過只要射後即忘換掉, 我才管他叫甚麼.

[游侠之心]

个人觉得一个都不能少。


如果去了什么不心痛的话，一定是一个所有职业特性都能通过其他职业兼职


得到的职业，那就是寻林了。

[Sheepy]

"詩人? 不, 我是跨職的戰士/流氓/法師. 我老爸說詩人太弱了."

反正引入了 Talent Tree, 職業能力通通換成 Talent 任配,  所有職業雙數額外專長也把目前的戰士比下去.

好吧, 會不會有雙數額外專長還是未知之數. 有的話, 三十級角色就會有最少廿六個專長... 除非他們把傳奇放進核心, 否則那麼多專長是有點兒過份. 其於玩家手冊的厚度, 及他們想把更多"點點光明"的背景放進 PHB, 而且我們會有更多的種族能力, 更多的職業能力, 廿五級法術...

老實說, 我已經開始覺得有好一部份的"核心"會以網路擴充的形式發佈. Saga 已經有擴充的種族, 星球, 職能, 甚至裝備 (歁誤).