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« 于: 2008-10-29, 周三 02:02:51 »
有爬过大致文章但是大部分都是跟武僧的极速有关
所以想询问且确定一下
变身后的武僧根据爬文是可以极速连击后接天生武器

那如果是一个精通徒手攻击的角色
能不能使用徒手攻击的BAB后接天生武器攻击呢?

例如 熊战士

变身为熊后 假设BAB有16

那是否能有 16/11/6/1 然后接熊的天生武器 2爪1咬的攻击呢?
如果可以那后面的天生武器攻击减值是从最高的扣还是最低的?另外所扣的命中会叠加吗
例如2爪-5 咬就变成-10

另问就是单纯使用徒手攻击的话副手该怎算呢?如同双武器的算法吗?

以上问题希望能有巨巨们帮忙回答!感谢万分!

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« 回帖 #1 于: 2008-10-29, 周三 13:27:34 »
后加的只能是一次次要天生武器攻击,也就是一次最高AB-5的攻击。比如牛头怪在巨斧全回合连砍完了以后还能追加一次AB-5的角顶攻击。

武僧的急速和双武器怎么相互作用到现在官方也没一个固定的解释,总是变来变去的。所以这问题就留给开团的DM自己判好了。
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« 回帖 #2 于: 2008-10-29, 周三 13:44:05 »
from Rules of the Game - Unarmed Attacks (Part 2)

Unarmed Strikes and Natural Weapons

Just as a creature can add weapon attacks to a full attack made with natural weapons, so too can it combine unarmed attacks with natural weapons. Two options are available to accomplish this task.

A creature can choose to treat its unarmed attacks as its primary attacks and its natural weapons as secondary attacks. (This method is normally used to add weapon attacks to a natural attack routine.) The creature must make all unarmed attacks with its primary limb, which prevents that hand from being used for a natural attack such as a claw or slam. It uses its full base attack bonus for the natural attack, gaining additional attacks as normal for a high base attack bonus, and adds its full Strength bonus on damage rolls. Of course, each of these attacks provokes an attack of opportunity if the target is unarmed (unless the creature has Improved Unarmed Strike). However, its natural weapons all become secondary attacks, taking the -5 penalty on attack rolls (or -2 with the Multiattack feat) and adding only half the monster's Strength bonus on damage rolls.

A simpler method is to treat the creature's unarmed attack as an off-hand attack. (After all, an unarmed strike is rarely as effective as a weapon attack would be, so it doesn't really merit the same level of priority in the average monster's attack array.) Instead of using its primary limb to deliver the unarmed attack, it uses a kick, head butt, or other appendage that isn't otherwise used to deliver a natural attack. The creature gains one unarmed strike, which deals damage appropriate to its size plus half its Strength bonus (since it's an off-hand attack). A creature using this method suffers a -4 penalty on all attacks (since it's effectively fighting with two weapons and its off-hand weapon is light). The damage for its natural attacks is unchanged. This method requires fewer calculations on the fly, so it's probably easier to use in play.

Let's look at the nalfeshnee for an example of how each of these methods would work in play.

A nalfeshnee using the first method would have three unarmed attacks (thanks to its base attack bonus of +14). Applying its size modifier, and Strength modifier, the nalfeshnee's total attack modifiers for its three natural attacks are +19, +14, and +9. These natural attacks each deal 1d6+7 points of nonlethal damage. Each of the nalfeshnee's natural weapons takes a -2 penalty for a secondary natural weapon (thanks to the nalfeshnee's Multiattack feat) and gains only half the nalfeshnee's Strength modifier to damage, which gives it two secondary attacks, as follows: one bite +18 (2d8+3) and one claw +17 (1d8+3); it loses one claw attack in order to make unarmed attacks with its primary limb.

Using the second method, the nalfeshnee's natural attacks are made at a -4 penalty (bite +16, 2 claws +13) but deal normal damage. It then makes one unarmed attack at +15 (+14 for base attack bonus, -2 for size, +7 for Strength, -4 for off-hand light weapon) that deals 1d6+3 points of nonlethal damage.
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« 回帖 #3 于: 2008-10-29, 周三 23:00:37 »
感謝兩位巨巨們的解釋>_<

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« 回帖 #4 于: 2008-10-30, 周四 12:49:33 »
另外, 疾风是不能和其它天武同时用的.
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« 回帖 #5 于: 2008-10-30, 周四 13:09:15 »
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另外, 疾风是不能和其它天武同时用的.

这个是说我在徒手打完疾风后,就不能再继续用天武当次级武器打吗?
还是说不能用天武代替徒手开疾风? :em008
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« 回帖 #6 于: 2008-10-30, 周四 13:17:39 »
不能, faq还是rotg说过, 因为疾风只能使用徒手或者和尚武器, 而徒手外的天武明显不属于这个范围.
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« 回帖 #7 于: 2008-10-30, 周四 13:34:57 »
么么...那个再麻烦一下:em004

那就是说我的和尚如果变成动物的话...就不能开疾风打了
因为动物的身上都上天武...?

另外,比如说荒野行者的那个原始之吼.能获得1D6的啮咬
因为书上说全轮攻击时可以使用啮咬进行额外攻击,啮咬承受-5作为次要武器...
我的问题就是...我的和尚有这个进阶...那我打完疾风..是不是能用这个啮咬作额外攻击  

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« 回帖 #8 于: 2008-10-30, 周四 16:47:04 »
和尚变身的话,猛虎铁砂掌和凶暴熊后旋踢为什么就不能用了咧?
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« 回帖 #9 于: 2008-10-30, 周四 17:01:21 »
功夫熊猫,嚯哈! :em014  
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