【战术讨论】踏入反魔场，施法者还有什么挣扎的空间么？

[灰烬]

神话的话其实都不需要领域免疫力这种特定的构筑，只需要点一个神力之源就行了，神是免疫反魔场的，准神和半神也是神，同样免疫反魔场（设计师说的），模组里也是这么干的，法师用反魔场想压制半神的魔法，结果没有用，神灵特权，即使放的法术也不怕反魔场

[ooppiiuu]

看来把能提的都提过了。
不得不说，反魔场头疼的是dm。。。

[剧毒术士]

那看起来确实没有，描述只写运作方式一致，这样的话应该奇物的适用范围不符合

可是绿皮老师，我怎么感觉死魔区≥反魔场？
毕竟一个是位面，一个是法术形成的区域，只有名字和覆盖范围不一样，别的地方都一样。

[果园米凯拉]

能别整天提神力之源这种先说开不开，就是纯属望文生义的放屁的东西吗？

[greenskin]

那看起来确实没有，描述只写运作方式一致，这样的话应该奇物的适用范围不符合

可是绿皮老师，我怎么感觉死魔区≥反魔场？
毕竟一个是位面，一个是法术形成的区域，只有名字和覆盖范围不一样，别的地方都一样。

额，不太理解啥意思？你不是也说一个是环境，一个是法术，所以为啥用大于等于号？这两不是数值没有大小关系？

而且这血魔钉本身表述写的不太好，本身自己是个魔法物品一进死魔区就变白板，谁要用还得厚脸皮和gm说“我这钱总不能白花了”

[剧毒术士]

额，不太理解啥意思？你不是也说一个是环境，一个是法术，所以为啥用大于等于号？这两不是数值没有大小关系？

而且这血魔钉本身表述写的不太好，本身自己是个魔法物品一进死魔区就变白板，谁要用还得厚脸皮和gm说“我这钱总不能白花了”

我的意思是，这个东西看起来像反魔场，运作起来像反魔场，除了名字不叫反魔场以及覆盖范围比反魔场大得多，按Sean的意思是可以一视同仁的……不过他说的是职业能力，最后的量裁权还是交由DM判断，所以我也就这么一说，做不得真。

[灰烬]

看来设计师说的话是放屁啊，还望文生义，蚌埠住了，PA章节的原话【选择了神力之源（divine source）道途能力（path ability）的神话角色（Mythic characters）也是准神。】无知不是错，无知还一脸自信的批判别人就是跳梁小丑了，但凡查查资料呢？
原文：Quasi Deity
Source Planar Adventures pg. 70
Quasi deities are the least powerful of the divine, and the most eclectic in their nature. A quasi deity has a stat block, and can be of any CR (although the vast majority lie in the CR 21–25 range). Nascent demon lords, the malebranche, and qlippoth lords are all examples of quasi deities, as are creatures like deep one elders, conqueror worms, and green men, who have the ability to grant spells to clerics. Mythic characters who take the divine source path ability are also quasi deities.

Quasi deities have no inborn ability to shape and alter reality by thought alone, even if they somehow gain control of a planar realm, and must rely upon their own abilities and magic to effect changes of this nature.

A quasi deity grants from one to four domains to its clerics.

设计师原话
Q：Do antimagic fields affect demigod and quasi-deities？
A：No.

[果园米凯拉]

唷，说望文生义的屁话你就能破防啊，那我知道了。

需要一本除了一个AP外几乎没人开的书 + 一本公认大麻也经常被不开的书 + 一个甚至没有正式被写入FAQ只是JJ这个公认规则随口一说的放屁王在楼里回了一嘴的“FAQ”，拿出来在这个楼里讨论是吧。

这个逼就原来是你开始吹的，看来你妈的逼是在你出生时就被你吹烂了，真TM是一大福音啊，免得又多生一个像你这样的两栖类。

[灰烬]

这就破防了？PA不是核心规则书？PA书还写了神力干涉可以超越规则。准神和半神哪个不是神？钢神里归一是准神，然而照样写了他是神，他的力量只能另一个神灵才能解除，后来晋升半神，原文更是写了半神就是完全的神性，buff灭是半神，模组里写了反魔场不能压制他的魔法，即使是法师裂解术也必须过施法者等级鉴定而不能自动成功。美呆子，奥罗登都是靠试炼晋升的半神，然而背景里都说他们成神了，PF2更是明确设定，通常成神仪式就是成为准神。自己搞错了东西就剩一张嘴是硬的，不知道的还以为你才是总设计师。还吹逼，规则书，小子，你说的才是望文生义的屁话，规则书准神就是神。
就喜欢看你这种自己一无所知，还大放厥词，一点证据都掏不出来虚空套帽子，最后破防除了骂人啥都做不到的渣子，而我只会掏出各种证据抽你的脸。丢人现眼吧你。
神力等级
　　众神通常在群体中有等级，从新登神的小神到全能的创造神或高深莫测的力量。
　　神（God）：在金字塔的顶端，神控制着几乎无限的力量和资源。他们的凡世教堂很大，（通常）资金很多。
　　半神（Demigod）：半神仍然拥有强大的力量，尽管经常从属于另一位神，或者仅仅是次于神的力量。
　　准神（Quasi Deity）：神力等级最弱，最近通过登神仪式获得神力而登神的凡人，或者位面内自己聚集了神力的原住民。

[山穷水尽]

看来设计师说的话是放屁啊，还望文生义，蚌埠住了，PA章节的原话【选择了神力之源（divine source）道途能力（path ability）的神话角色（Mythic characters）也是准神。】无知不是错，无知还一脸自信的批判别人就是跳梁小丑了，但凡查查资料呢？
原文：Quasi Deity
Source Planar Adventures pg. 70
Quasi deities are the least powerful of the divine, and the most eclectic in their nature. A quasi deity has a stat block, and can be of any CR (although the vast majority lie in the CR 21–25 range). Nascent demon lords, the malebranche, and qlippoth lords are all examples of quasi deities, as are creatures like deep one elders, conqueror worms, and green men, who have the ability to grant spells to clerics. Mythic characters who take the divine source path ability are also quasi deities.

Quasi deities have no inborn ability to shape and alter reality by thought alone, even if they somehow gain control of a planar realm, and must rely upon their own abilities and magic to effect changes of this nature.

A quasi deity grants from one to four domains to its clerics.

设计师原话
Q：Do antimagic fields affect demigod and quasi-deities？
A：No.

这个设计师回答有链接吗? 相关问题我只找到JJ的一个回答

paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns&page=907?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Questions-Here#45310

Drock11 wrote:

I try and refrain from asking you rule type questions, and while I think this is also a setting type question it's sort of borderline so if this skirts too close I apologize in advance.

In the description for antimagic field it states that artifacts and deities are not effected by it. What constitutes what a deity is? Does one have to be a full on god to not be effected, or would things like demon lords that are considered demi-gods also not be effected by the spell?

Would this be one of those things that's all up to the individual GM's interpretation?

What a deity is means "You can grant spells." Whether or not that includes mythic characters capable of granting spells is left to the GM (this level is technically sub-demigod, a category called "quasi-deity"), but it absolutely includes demigods like demon lords.