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Touch Spell 能否用来全回合攻击?l
« 于: 2007-03-12, 周一 14:27:14 »
因为看见有人这么说所以也问问

能不能全回合还是有争议……我是认为任何攻击动作都可以用来全回合,而既然接触攻击是攻击动作的一部分,那么当然也可以作为全回合的一部分。
至于造火能不能hold,让DM决定吧。不过我觉得应该可以沿用刚才的规则。

顺便问一下, 有多少DM会判Dru可以和动物同伴Share 招雷/造火然后一起丢的?
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« 回帖 #1 于: 2007-03-12, 周一 14:43:39 »
AD你怎么就直接把聊天纪录直接就贴上去了,也不说明一下什么是什么…… :em005

解释一下,这段争论原先是讨论Share Spell战术的,就是把法术交给动物伙伴/魔宠,然后让它上去打。一开始讨论仅限于什么样的法术能Share,但是突然就转到“接触法术能否用于全回合“(我原来也以为不能的)上去了。
"刚才的规则“出自SRD:Alternatively, you may make a normal unarmed attack (or an attack with a natural weapon) while holding a charge. In this case, you aren’t considered armed and you provoke attacks of opportunity as normal for the attack. (If your unarmed attack or natural weapon attack doesn’t provoke attacks of opportunity, neither does this attack.) If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack or natural weapon and the spell discharges. If the attack misses, you are still holding the charge.这是在讨论在释放了造火术/冻寒之触时,能否在普通供给造成伤害的同时释放法术的话题的时候提到的。

Share Spell的问题在于,SRD中并没有明确规定哪些法术可以Share,哪些不能,所以才会有Share造火、招雷甚至致盲唾液(PGtF)的想法(特别注明:这战术不是我想的)。
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« 回帖 #2 于: 2007-03-12, 周一 16:20:36 »
普通情况下是使用标准动作进行一次近战接触攻击,并且不会受到借机攻击。
但可以这样做:
你可以在暂不散发时做一次普通的徒手攻击(或者用天生武器攻击),在该情况下这种攻击不视为武装攻击,因此和正常情况下一样该攻击会导致借机攻击。(如果你的徒手攻击或者天生武器攻击不会导致借机攻击,那么这次攻击也不会。)如果这次攻击命中,你可以造成正常的徒手攻击或天生武器伤害,同时法术释放。如果这次攻击没有命中,那么法术继续保持。

嗯,这样就会有传说中的火云掌这种东西的存在~

至于魔宠,他们能和主人共享目标为自己的法术,但只能传递接触性法术而已~所有非接触的法术通通的不可传递。
如果想让魔宠冲上去召雷什么的,只能学[史诗专长]魔宠施法~
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« 回帖 #3 于: 2007-03-12, 周一 16:30:06 »
动物同伴Share spell的描述第一句
At the druid’s option, she may have any spell (but not any spell-like ability) she casts upon herself also affect her animal companion.
另一段的关键句
Additionally, the druid may cast a spell with a target of "You" on her animal companion (as a touch range spell) instead of on herself.

从第一句看,share法术的类别,我认为必须是一个可以施放在Dru自己身上的Taget或Tagets法术,因此招雷显然是不能Share的,因为招雷是一个产生范围效果的effect法术而非taget法术。


至于造火,比较特别,从法术描述看,也是effect法术而非taget法术,虽然说其效果是产生于Dru自己身上(手心),判能够share也不是完全没有根据,但我觉得这法术跟2级的Flaming Sphere一样,只是造出了一团可以有各种用途的火,而非对Dru本身造成影响(affect herself),所以也不能影响动物同伴(affect her animal companion),不属于可share的法术。


同上,造火是个比较另类的法术,但毫无疑问它并非一个Touch spell(只是一个距离为0的effect spell),所以,严格遵照法术描述来看,造火无法hold the charge。
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« 回帖 #4 于: 2007-03-12, 周一 18:50:53 »
能的吧。
另外,为何hold之后就不再是武装攻击了?出处是哪里?
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« 回帖 #5 于: 2007-03-12, 周一 21:44:00 »
以touch spell作full-round attack,我認為可以

produce flame不需要hold,也不能hold,因為它?K非touch spell
它本?砭褪莻有duration的spell,在法術作用時間內都可以touch attack吧(減少法術作用時間)

produce flame和call lighting,我認為不能share

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« 回帖 #6 于: 2007-03-13, 周二 00:57:05 »
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produce flame不需要hold,也不能hold,因為它?K非touch spell
它本?砭褪莻有duration的spell,在法術作用時間內都可以touch attack吧(減少法術作用時間)

produce flame和call lighting,我認為不能share
以touch spell作full-round attack
=>如果放棄了touch spell的即時攻擊,會當作hold the charge論。
詳情參閱phb第176頁。

因為touch spell碰到敵人後會discharge,所以除了
chill touch這?可以使用超過一次的特例魔法外,即使能full attack都會在第一擊上discharge。
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« 回帖 #7 于: 2007-03-13, 周二 11:15:27 »
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以touch spell作full-round attack,我認為可以

produce flame不需要hold,也不能hold,因為它?K非touch spell
它本?砭褪莻有duration的spell,在法術作用時間內都可以touch attack吧(減少法術作用時間)

produce flame和call lighting,我認為不能share
Call Lightning
Evocation [Electricity]
Level: Drd 3
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 round
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Effect: One or more 30-ft.-long vertical lines of lightning
Duration: 1 min./level
Saving Throw: Reflex half
Spell Resistance: Yes
Immediately upon completion of the spell, and once per round thereafter, you may call down a 5-foot-wide, 30-foot-long, vertical bolt of lightning that deals 3d6 points of electricity damage. The bolt of lightning flashes down in a vertical stroke at whatever target point you choose within the spell’s range (measured from your position at the time). Any creature in the target square or in the path of the bolt is affected.
You need not call a bolt of lightning immediately; other actions, even spellcasting, can be performed. However, each round after the first you may use a standard action (concentrating on the spell) to call a bolt. You may call a total number of bolts equal to your caster level (maximum 10 bolts).
If you are outdoors and in a stormy area—a rain shower, clouds and wind, hot and cloudy conditions, or even a tornado (including a whirlwind formed by a djinni or an air elemental of at least Large size)—each bolt deals 3d10 points of electricity damage instead of 3d6.
This spell functions indoors or underground but not underwater.


Produce Flame
Evocation [Fire]
Level: Drd 1, Fire 2
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: 0 ft.
Effect: Flame in your palm
Duration: 1 min./level (D)
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: Yes
Flames as bright as a torch appear in your open hand. The flames harm neither you nor your equipment.
In addition to providing illumination, the flames can be hurled or used to touch enemies. You can strike an opponent with a melee touch attack, dealing fire damage equal to 1d6 +1 point per caster level (maximum +5). Alternatively, you can hurl the flames up to 120 feet as a thrown weapon. When doing so, you attack with a ranged touch attack (with no range penalty) and deal the same damage as with the melee attack. No sooner do you hurl the flames than a new set appears in your hand. Each attack you make reduces the remaining duration by 1 minute. If an attack reduces the remaining duration to 0 minutes or less, the spell ends after the attack resolves.
This spell does not function underwater.


Chill Touch
Necromancy
Level: Sor/Wiz 1
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Targets: Creature or creatures touched (up to one/level)
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: Fortitude partial or Will negates; see text
Spell Resistance: Yes
A touch from your hand, which glows with blue energy, disrupts the life force of living creatures. Each touch channels negative energy that deals 1d6 points of damage. The touched creature also takes 1 point of Strength damage unless it makes a successful Fortitude saving throw. You can use this melee touch attack up to one time per level.
An undead creature you touch takes no damage of either sort, but it must make a successful Will saving throw or flee as if panicked for 1d4 rounds +1 round per caster level.


Share Spells (Ex): At the druid’s option, she may have any spell (but not any spell-like ability) she casts upon herself also affect her animal companion. The animal companion must be within 5 feet of her at the time of casting to receive the benefit. If the spell or effect has a duration other than instantaneous, it stops affecting the animal companion if the companion moves farther than 5 feet away and will not affect the animal again, even if it returns to the druid before the duration expires.
Additionally, the druid may cast a spell with a target of “You” on her animal companion (as a touch range spell) instead of on herself. A druid and her animal companion can share spells even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the companion’s type (animal).

Call Lightning 就一定不能全回合.
但 chill touch 和 produce flame 的情況有點?似.
我認為可以全回合.
但法術共享
我覺得就不能吧!
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« 回帖 #8 于: 2007-03-14, 周三 09:37:53 »
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produce flame不需要hold,也不能hold,因為它?K非touch spell
它本?砭褪莻有duration的spell,在法術作用時間內都可以touch attack吧(減少法術作用時間)

produce flame和call lighting,我認為不能share
以touch spell作full-round attack
=>如果放棄了touch spell的即時攻擊,會當作hold the charge論。
詳情參閱phb第176頁。

因為touch spell碰到敵人後會discharge,所以除了
chill touch這?可以使用超過一次的特例魔法外,即使能full attack都會在第一擊上discharge。
恩恩,我就是想到chill touch :em012  

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« 回帖 #9 于: 2007-03-15, 周四 00:48:28 »
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以touch spell作full-round attack,我認為可以

produce flame不需要hold,也不能hold,因為它?K非touch spell
它本?砭褪莻有duration的spell,在法術作用時間內都可以touch attack吧(減少法術作用時間)

produce flame和call lighting,我認為不能share
Call Lightning
Evocation [Electricity]
Level: Drd 3
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 round
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Effect: One or more 30-ft.-long vertical lines of lightning
Duration: 1 min./level
Saving Throw: Reflex half
Spell Resistance: Yes
Immediately upon completion of the spell, and once per round thereafter, you may call down a 5-foot-wide, 30-foot-long, vertical bolt of lightning that deals 3d6 points of electricity damage. The bolt of lightning flashes down in a vertical stroke at whatever target point you choose within the spell’s range (measured from your position at the time). Any creature in the target square or in the path of the bolt is affected.
You need not call a bolt of lightning immediately; other actions, even spellcasting, can be performed. However, each round after the first you may use a standard action (concentrating on the spell) to call a bolt. You may call a total number of bolts equal to your caster level (maximum 10 bolts).
If you are outdoors and in a stormy area—a rain shower, clouds and wind, hot and cloudy conditions, or even a tornado (including a whirlwind formed by a djinni or an air elemental of at least Large size)—each bolt deals 3d10 points of electricity damage instead of 3d6.
This spell functions indoors or underground but not underwater.


Produce Flame
Evocation [Fire]
Level: Drd 1, Fire 2
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: 0 ft.
Effect: Flame in your palm
Duration: 1 min./level (D)
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: Yes
Flames as bright as a torch appear in your open hand. The flames harm neither you nor your equipment.
In addition to providing illumination, the flames can be hurled or used to touch enemies. You can strike an opponent with a melee touch attack, dealing fire damage equal to 1d6 +1 point per caster level (maximum +5). Alternatively, you can hurl the flames up to 120 feet as a thrown weapon. When doing so, you attack with a ranged touch attack (with no range penalty) and deal the same damage as with the melee attack. No sooner do you hurl the flames than a new set appears in your hand. Each attack you make reduces the remaining duration by 1 minute. If an attack reduces the remaining duration to 0 minutes or less, the spell ends after the attack resolves.
This spell does not function underwater.


Chill Touch
Necromancy
Level: Sor/Wiz 1
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Targets: Creature or creatures touched (up to one/level)
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: Fortitude partial or Will negates; see text
Spell Resistance: Yes
A touch from your hand, which glows with blue energy, disrupts the life force of living creatures. Each touch channels negative energy that deals 1d6 points of damage. The touched creature also takes 1 point of Strength damage unless it makes a successful Fortitude saving throw. You can use this melee touch attack up to one time per level.
An undead creature you touch takes no damage of either sort, but it must make a successful Will saving throw or flee as if panicked for 1d4 rounds +1 round per caster level.


Share Spells (Ex): At the druid’s option, she may have any spell (but not any spell-like ability) she casts upon herself also affect her animal companion. The animal companion must be within 5 feet of her at the time of casting to receive the benefit. If the spell or effect has a duration other than instantaneous, it stops affecting the animal companion if the companion moves farther than 5 feet away and will not affect the animal again, even if it returns to the druid before the duration expires.
Additionally, the druid may cast a spell with a target of “You” on her animal companion (as a touch range spell) instead of on herself. A druid and her animal companion can share spells even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the companion’s type (animal).

Call Lightning 就一定不能全回合.
但 chill touch 和 produce flame 的情況有點?似.
我認為可以全回合.
但法術共享
我覺得就不能吧!
 she may have any spell (but not any spell-like ability) she casts upon herself also affect her animal companion.
關鍵在於casts upon herself。
這?魔法都不是cast upon herself…
share spell的target必須要是自己吧,除非你那個touch attack自己,不然應該不會share…

如果真的想familiar/animal companion很能打的話…介紹一個用?韘hare的…giant form~~~~
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