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【3R】關於徒手打擊的疑惑
« 于: 2020-07-02, 周四 16:22:48 »
這幾天閒著沒事去啃了下官網的rule of game系列文章,有關徒手打擊產生了一些疑惑

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part two提到徒手打擊可以與人造武器分別作為主手與副手武器來進行雙武器戰鬥,非武僧徒手還沒啥問題,只不過part three武僧的部分跟FAQ一起看的時候出現了各種詭異的問題:

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A monk using one or two special monk weapons simply substitutes one attack from each weapon (or from one or both ends of a quarterstaff) as part of a full attack (including a flurry of blows). The monk need not take any penalties for off-hand or two-weapon attacks. The monk, however, does not get an extra attack from a second weapon. If the monk is using a flurry of blows, she adds her full Strength bonus to damage from any successful attack, even if she uses what normally would be her off hand, or uses one end of a quarterstaff as a two-handed weapon.

If a monk is not using her flurry of blows ability, she can claim an extra attack from a second weapon. If she does, she takes all the penalties for attacking with two weapons and for attacking with off-hand weapons. A monk using an unarmed strike as an off-hand attack does not suffer any off-hand penalties; however, under the regular rules for two-weapon fighting you get only one extra attack for an off-hand weapon.

For example a 7th-level monk with a Strength score of 15 that uses a longspear as a primary weapon and makes an off-hand unarmed attack has attack bonuses that are +3 longspear, +7 unarmed. This breaks down as follows: The longspear is +5 base, +2 Strength, -4 two-weapon (off-hand weapon is light). The unarmed strike is +5 base, +2 Strength -- off-hand penalties don't apply to a monk's unarmed strike. Because a longspear is a two-handed weapon, damage from the weapon is 1d8+3. Damage for the unarmed strike is 1d8+2 -- a monk gets her full Strength bonus for unarmed strikes, even when used as off-hand attacks.

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Can a monk fight with two weapons? Can she combine a two-weapon attack with a flurry of blows? What are her penalties on attack rolls?

A monk can fight with two weapons just like any other character, but she must accept the normal penalties on her attack rolls to do so. She can use an unarmed strike as an offhand weapon. She can even combine two-weapon fighting with a flurry of blows to gain an extra attack with her off hand (but remember that she can use only unarmed strikes or special monk weapons as part of the flurry). The penalties for twoweapon fighting stack with the penalties for flurry of blows.  For example, at 6th level, the monk Ember can normally make one attack per round at a +4 bonus. When using flurry of blows, she can make two attacks (using unarmed strikes or any special monk weapons she holds), each at a +3 bonus. If she wants to make an extra attack with her off hand, she has to accept a –4 penalty on her primary hand attacks and a –8 penalty on her off-hand attacks (assuming she wields a light weapon in her off hand).  If Ember has Two-Weapon Fighting, she has to accept only a –2 penalty on all attacks to make an extra attack with her off hand. Thus, when wielding a light weapon in her off hand during a flurry of blows, she can make a total of three attacks, each at a total bonus of +1. At least one of these attacks has to be with her off-hand weapon.

A 20th-level monk with Greater Two-Weapon Fighting can make eight attacks per round during a flurry of blows. Assuming she wields a light weapon in her off hand, her three off-hand weapon attacks are at +13/+8/+3, and she has five attacks (at +13/+13/+13/+8/+3) with unarmed strikes or any weapons she carries in her primary hand. If the same monk also has Rapid Shot and throws at least one shuriken as part of her flurry of blows (since Rapid Shot can be used only with ranged attacks), she can throw one additional shuriken with her primary hand, but all of her attacks (even melee attacks) suffer a –2 penalty. Thus, her full attack array looks like this: +11/+11/+11/+11/+6/+1 primary hand (two must be with shuriken) and +11/+6/+1 off hand.

1.官網文章對於將雙武器戰鬥加入徒手打擊是建立在如果沒有疾風連擊的前提下,這是否代表只要選擇以雙武器戰鬥的模式就無法疾風連擊(即使使用的人造武器也屬於武僧武器)?同時FAQ卻有對於雙武器戰鬥加入徒手打擊甚至疾風連擊的解釋 :em003...?

2.另外文章還特地律了武僧徒手打擊用作副手武器時不受到雙武器戰鬥的任何影響(包括不吃攻擊減值,完整力量上傷害),雖然FAQ舉例是將人造武器用作副手使用,這可能是為什麼這個例子依然使用0.5力量且承受罰值的原因,不過整個規則真的律的有點暈頭轉向,還請律師大佬解惑 :em003
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Re: 【3R】关于徒手打击的疑惑
« 回帖 #1 于: 2020-07-03, 周五 09:42:13 »
武僧徒手攻击这个的FAQ本来就很多矛盾,比如贤者问答就曾经说过天生武器不能参与疾风连击,后来又有了天生武器可以参与疾风连击的FAQ

至于武僧徒手当副手攻击不吃副手惩罚和力量值减半惩罚……本质上这文章是在power up武僧吧,其他的还是该咋判咋判
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Re: 【3R】關於徒手打擊的疑惑
« 回帖 #2 于: 2020-07-03, 周五 10:05:41 »
规则吃书是无所谓的,规则是有优先度的,冲突规则后出的优先度肯定高于先出的,所以ROTG这个最早的是可以被丢掉的,如果在其他地方有明文推翻ROTG的话
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Re: 【3R】关于徒手打击的疑惑
« 回帖 #3 于: 2020-07-03, 周五 18:01:02 »
我觉得这种东西就不要再折腾了,就统一律成双武器系列+主副手没差别就完了。
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Re: 【3R】关于徒手打击的疑惑
« 回帖 #4 于: 2020-07-19, 周日 01:59:51 »
问一问,在哪下载,能发个链接吗