detect系列能否延伸到以太位面？

[Sheepy]

根据dragon 353的sageadvice，Invisibility Purge能搞定灵体

指的是能搞定無實體的靈體，不在物質位面的靈體，還是兩者皆可？

無論是前還是後我都想聽聽解釋... 前者跟本沒有可視的形體（Invis. Purge 只能抵消隱身，卻不能描繪沒形體的東西？），後者就規則而言的確應該不受此法術影響。

[donkey]

 

[Sheepy]

Invisibility Purge
You surround yourself with a sphere of power with a radius of 5 feet per caster level that negates all forms of invisibility.
Anything invisible becomes visible while in the area.

那麼, becomes visible 是 negate 的原因還是結果? 如果是前者, 那麼的確會顯現 (變成顯形術), 如果是後者, 那麼大概沒有效 (變成 Su/Sp 隱身抵消術).

不過解決了這個也不能解決正題, 因為兩者的法術系跟本不同...

[aland]

看Sage的判法貌似是原因?

INV Purge能显虚体对PC来说应该也能算是比较合理的........

[Sheepy]

大致同意. 但说到尾, 我觉得最头痛的其实是以太位面与物质位面的密切关系所引致的麻烦. 如果丢掉此位面只保留以太化的状态 (i.e. 鬼魂等依然留在物质界) 就不会有法术能否跨越位面界限的问题.

立刻就想起夜巡者的世界设定, 物质界后有一层又一层的影子世界, 每一层只与上下一层保持关连, 每一层的时间流动都慢一些, 比以太位面更像独立位面, 也更疯狂, 例如说锁门只能锁目前及更浅的层面, 够强的法师可以再深入一层去打开未上锁的门通过...
不过反正就连在那个"高人云集"的俄罗斯, 大部份法师都只能进入第一层影子, 第二层已经限有真正天赋的高手, 再深就限百年一遇的伟大法师, 所以再疯狂都不是大问题.

[Sheepy]

Q:  What happens when a wall is built on the Ethereal Plane? Can someone using true seeing see through it and target ethereal creatures behind it? If you can't see through it, what if there's a hole in the wall? Could you target them then?
A:  Solid objects are very rare on the Ethereal Plane, since no resources are present there to create them. Most objects on the Ethereal Plane were created elsewhere then magically transported to the Ethereal Plane (as described on page 56 of Manual of the Planes). 
  An ethereal wall would be visible to someone using true seeing (or a similar effect). The rules don't describe whether such objects block line of sight, but it's reasonable to assume that they do. Thus, an ethereal wall would be visible as a wall to a creature that can see ethereal objects. Even though the creature could distinguish the wall from a material object, it still blocks vision (and thus line of sight) just as a normal wall would. A creature can look through an ethereal wall with a hole in it, and the creature could then target ethereal creatures behind the wall.

重溫 FAQ 時發現這一段, 假如 Invisibility Purge 算是效果類似 True Seeing 的法術那麼應該能看得見.