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TRPG討論區 => 研討區 => 3版 討論區 => 主题作者是: kagechen 于 2007-10-30, 周二 19:07:47
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1个 增强+4, Bane(undead)武器能否击破 xx/传奇的undead的DR？
个人认为，应该是不能，理由是武器增强加值<=+5，但还是想听听大家的意见
个人建议：武器的特殊能力数量不能大于增强加值
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可以同时有4个Bane(undead)么……
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增强+4;Bane(undead)
个人认为，应该是不能，理由是武器增强加值<=+5，但还是想听听大家的意见
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....楼主是问+4BANE(UNDEAD)对UNDEA是否为+6
个人倾向可以，，增强加值本来就是魔法效果，有+5的非魔法剑么。
以上无理论支持，错了不负责，闪。
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理由是武器增强加值<=+5....
楼主定义传奇武器是什么样的武器？
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判断是否epic武器不是看增强加值是否>+5or价格加值是否>+10如此的吗?
那么是epic武器就能击破,反之不能
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个人倾向可以，，增强加值本来就是魔法效果，有+5的非魔法剑么。
感觉应该可以, 但不是这个原因...xx/epic的dr貌似enhancement+5以上就能破, +4的Bane好像已经有+6了......
Grants a bonus on attacks or damage greater than +5.
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呃，我是想说反正都是魔法在起作用
但是BANE提供的效果要是和高等魔化武器之类一样的化就。。。
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加持MW魔法的武器能击破“X/魔法”的DR吗？
同理
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呃，我是想说反正都是魔法在起作用
但是BANE提供的效果要是和高等魔化武器之类一样的化就。。。
1个增强+4,Bane(undead)武器能否击破 xx/传奇的undead的DR
增强+1的武器,GWM+5后能击破 xx/传奇的undead的DR吗？
问题就是这里，Bane的武器加值究竟算什么？
我个人认为，没有Epic制造专长武器增强就不能超过+5，所以，非epic制造的物品增强加值的效果也就不能超过+5
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物品的增强加值和bane本来就不是一个东西吧……
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这个问题我只能说我囧....
首先看+1武器摸ＧＭＷ，由于ＧＭＷ没有特殊说明能额外增加增强加值,所以其提供的增强加值与原武器属同类型,冲突,取其高者
而破敌不同,它说明了比正常加值多加2,因此+4用于对应目标,也就是你说的UD,就应该是+6
如果你否定数值上的变化,相当于你否定了破敌的说明,按照你的理解,对于一把+2武器来说破敌就只能提供而外伤害而无命中,但事实似乎并非如此
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Bane的说明了明确了是额外的增强加值
没有EPIC专长无法制作+5以上武器是正确的,但是+4BANE本身不是+5以上武器,只是对特定怪物能发挥这个作用而已
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不管了……反正epic的东西不是我等凡人能触及的
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为什么我觉得这个问题不用到传奇规则就能解释清楚了 :em006
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Bane的说明了明确了是额外的增强加值
没有EPIC专长无法制作+5以上武器是正确的,但是+4BANE本身不是+5以上武器,只是对特定怪物能发挥这个作用而已
对特定怪能破epic的dr也不是不可以...反正已经是+6的武器了...
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为什么没看懂AD大人引用的目的 :em006
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遭了,我老了... :em006
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AD君就没年轻过
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楼主认为一个增强+0,但有bane的武器.对抗DR为n/魔法的不死生物有效否
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楼主认为一个增强+0,但有bane的武器.对抗DR为n/魔法的不死生物有效否
不是说+4然后带Bane么 :em006
不过没有+1怎么上Bane :em006
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呃，我想问1把+6无特殊能力的长剑值多少钱？
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貌似那直接跻身epic之列- -?
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呃，我想问1把+6无特殊能力的长剑值多少钱？
720,315 gp
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1个增强+4,Bane(undead)武器能否击破 xx/传奇的undead的DR
增强+1的武器,GWM+5后能击破 xx/传奇的undead的DR吗？
问题就是这里，Bane的武器加值究竟算什么？
我个人认为，没有Epic制造专长武器增强就不能超过+5，所以，非epic制造的物品增强加值的效果也就不能超过+5
等效增强加值达到+6或更高就视为传奇武器，Bane的等效增强加值为+2，再加+4的增强加值，已经达到+6可以视为传奇武器。
非传奇前本来就不可以制作+6或更高等效增强加值的魔法物品，对武器的限制是等效增强加值，而并非是增强加值。
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我是觉的按+11算太便宜，LS怎么算的？
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传奇武器价格表
等效增强加值：增加价格
+1：+2,000 gp
+2：+8,000 gp
+3：+18,000 gp
+4：+32,000 gp
+5：+50,000 gp
+6：+720,000 gp
+7：+980,000 gp
+8：+1,280,000 gp
+9：+1,620,000 gp
+10：+2,000,000 gp
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嗯，仔细查了一下，发现前面说的错了。
传奇武器必须有+6或更高的增强加值，所以+4 Undead Bane没法击破传奇DR。
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为什么我觉得这个问题不用到传奇规则就能解释清楚了 :em006
这个问题主要是要定义啥是epic武器。
嗯，
In general, an item with even one of these characteristics is an epic magic item.
Grants a bonus on attacks or damage greater than +5.
于是应该可以……
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嗯，仔细查了一下，发现前面说的错了。
传奇武器必须有+6或更高的增强加值，所以+4 Undead Bane没法击破传奇DR。
？？为什么？
Bane提供2的额外增强加值，为什么不能算入增强加值使+4变为+6？
若可已经达+6为什么不能击破EPIC？
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嗯，仔细查了一下，发现前面说的错了。
传奇武器必须有+6或更高的增强加值，所以+4 Undead Bane没法击破传奇DR。
？？为什么？
Bane提供2的额外增强加值，为什么不能算入增强加值使+4变为+6？
若可已经达+6为什么不能击破EPIC？
Grants an enhancement bonus to an ability score greater than +6.
哥哥是不是看走行看成能力值了？ :em008
In general, an item with even one of these characteristics is an epic magic item.
Grants a bonus on attacks or damage greater than +5.
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While not truly an artifact, the epic magic item is a creation of such power that it surpasses other magic items. Epic magic items are objects of great power and value. The following are typical characteristics of an epic magic item. In general, an item with even one of these characteristics is an epic magic item.
• Grants a bonus on attacks or damage greater than +5.
• Grants an enhancement bonus to armor higher than +5.
Grants a bonus on attacks or damage greater than +5 :em001
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WOTC官网SRD传奇物品1的说明
不过我怎么觉得脑残?
Grants a bonus on attacks or damage greater than +5
不是增强加值也行咩...
只要伤害够了没有增强加值也行咩...
那么+4恶毒(2D6伤害,1D6反伤)算不算EPIC?2D6至少是2呀 :em006
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A weapon cannot be an epic weapon and at the same time not an epic weapon.
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'a bonus on attacks or damage greater than +5' is not the same as 'a bonus on attacks or damage greater than +5 for specific creatures'.
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WOTC官网SRD传奇物品1的说明
不过我怎么觉得脑残?
Grants a bonus on attacks or damage greater than +5
不是增强加值也行咩...
只要伤害够了没有增强加值也行咩...
那么+4恶毒(2D6伤害,1D6反伤)算不算EPIC?2D6至少是2呀 :em006
要我说：
+4+2d6 is not +6 bonus...
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'a bonus on attacks or damage greater than +5' is not the same as 'a bonus on attacks or damage greater than +5 for specific creatures'.
嗯，有道理 :em012
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判对bane的生物能破epic dr貌似就可以了(这时候是epic武器), 对其它生物就是非epic武器...
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A weapon cannot be an epic weapon and at the same time not an epic weapon.
/me 看哥哥，然后看AD
AD去帮WotC去写FAQ吧！ :em020
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我们看规则，要带着善意去理解规则的精神，而不是咬文嚼字……
什么是epic武器？很简单，比平常武器贵10倍的就是……没贵10倍的，就算加值是20，也不算epic武器呀，哼唧
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我觉得还是不行……
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'a bonus on attacks or damage greater than +5' is not the same as 'a bonus on attacks or damage greater than +5 for specific creatures'.
总觉得哥哥在咬文嚼字...
当面对UD的时候,+4 bane 就有了+6,因此满足了'a bonus on attacks or damage greater than +5' ,因此在面对UD这个前提下,+4 bane成为了一把EPIC武器,命题得证.
我怎么觉得在做离散数学
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我们看规则，要带着善意去理解规则的精神，而不是咬文嚼字……
什么是epic武器？很简单，比平常武器贵10倍的就是……没贵10倍的，就算加值是20，也不算epic武器呀，哼唧
难道不要钱的神器就连EPIC武器都够不上了嘛 :em006
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A weapon cannot be an epic weapon and at the same time not an epic weapon.
这句话出自何处?
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其实这种情况HR最方便了 :em006
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传奇武器价格表
等效增强加值：增加价格
+1：+2,000 gp
+2：+8,000 gp
+3：+18,000 gp
+4：+32,000 gp
+5：+50,000 gp
+6：+720,000 gp
+7：+980,000 gp
+8：+1,280,000 gp
+9：+1,620,000 gp
+10：+2,000,000 gp
原来从+6起，多了个0，历害 :em005
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其实这种情况HR最方便了 :em006
能开epic的强者，自然要用HR啊 :em006
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A weapon cannot be an epic weapon and at the same time not an epic weapon.
这句话出自何处?
Let's look at this issue from a DM's point of view. It is generally not a good idea to allow PC to evade rules, such as getting something without paying the full price. It is always better to say no to them when they are making their character or purchasing gears, then to have no undead encounter or make changes to rules after you realize it is actually over powered.
Epic, in a sense, is very much like the Burning Crusade Expansion. You raise the price to make sure PC have a way to spend their hardly earned money from previous adventures, and Epic DR for PCs to quickly switch to a new set of gears.
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A weapon cannot be an epic weapon and at the same time not an epic weapon.
这句话出自何处?
Let's look at this issue from a DM's point of view. It is generally not a good idea to allow PC to evade rules, such as getting something without paying the full price. It is always better to say no to them when they are making their character or purchasing gears, then to have no undead encounter or make changes to rules after you realize it is actually over powered.
Epic, in a sense, is very much like the Burning Crusade Expansion. You raise the price to make sure PC have a way to spend their hardly earned money from previous adventures, and Epic DR for PCs to quickly switch to a new set of gears.
lol...所以哥哥你是站在HR的角度分析而非有明确规则支持咩...
仅HR而言我没有反对意见 :em001
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This is a gray area. There are no clear text supporting either side. In such cases, rule 0 should be applied.
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A weapon cannot be an epic weapon and at the same time not an epic weapon.
这句话出自何处?
Let's look at this issue from a DM's point of view. It is generally not a good idea to allow PC to evade rules, such as getting something without paying the full price. It is always better to say no to them when they are making their character or purchasing gears, then to have no undead encounter or make changes to rules after you realize it is actually over powered.
Epic, in a sense, is very much like the Burning Crusade Expansion. You raise the price to make sure PC have a way to spend their hardly earned money from previous adventures, and Epic DR for PCs to quickly switch to a new set of gears.
哼唧，哥哥又跟人家同调了 :em006
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This is a gray area. There are no clear text supporting either side. In such cases, rule 0 should be applied.
What rule 0 refers to...lol
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A weapon cannot be an epic weapon and at the same time not an epic weapon.
排中律 :em006
这个问题么，就别看ELHB上那些个脑残说法了。
SRD - Damage Reduction
A few very powerful monsters are vulnerable only to epic weapons; that is, magic weapons with at least a +6 enhancement bonus. Such creatures’ natural weapons are also treated as epic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
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This is a gray area. There are no clear text supporting either side. In such cases, rule 0 should be applied.
What rule 0 refers to...lol
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