純美蘋果園
TRPG討論區 => 研討區 => 3版 討論區 => 主题作者是: joasy 于 2012-04-02, 周一 15:16:15
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昨天团里遇到的问题，以前好像问过但没得到解答
某菜刀甲中了人类定身，法师乙用解除魔法去解
甲身上有加速术、圣洁灵光、树皮术、祈祷术生效，其中加速术是乙放的
乙使用目标型解除魔法，问：他能只解除人类定身，而无视其他BUFF吗？
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不可以。
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那怎么判定解除哪个？
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Targeted Dispel
One object, creature, or spell is the target of the dispel magic spell. You make a dispel check (1d20 + your caster level, maximum +10) against the spell or against each ongoing spell currently in effect on the object or creature. The DC for this dispel check is 11 + the spell’s caster level. If you succeed on a particular check, that spell is dispelled; if you fail, that spell remains in effect.
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You automatically succeed on your dispel check against any spell that you cast yourself.
以我理解，是全部都要投，能解多少就多少，除了自己放的法 - 自己放的法自動炸光光，不用檢定。
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我一直觉得这不科学...
而且不可以主动选择失败么？
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不可以，薩滿的淨化不是小鹿的驅魔
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shift+右键，嗯
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我一直觉得这不科学...
而且不可以主动选择失败么？
你說的很對。這的確不是科學。歡迎來到魔法的世界。 :em006
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我一直觉得这不科学...
而且不可以主动选择失败么？
你說的很對。這的確不是科學。歡迎來到魔法的世界。 :em006
科学和魔法都只不过是通往“根源”的方式而已啊！
当科学和魔法交汇之时…… :em006 :em006 :em006
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当科学和魔法交汇的时候 :em012 好吧 这个梗我吐了很多次了
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其实是可以啊
Dispel可以指定驱散目标法术，不用指定一个目标生物。
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看咩姐姐引用的那段话的第一句……
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是吧，dispel 的目标可以是一个生物，一个物品，或者一个法术，如果你目标是一个生物/物品自然全部上面生效的所有法术效果都要一个个骰，如果你目标是一个法术，那只要对那个法术骰就可以了。
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是吧，dispel 的目标可以是一个生物，一个物品，或者一个法术，如果你目标是一个生物/物品自然全部上面生效的所有法术效果都要一个个骰，如果你目标是一个法术，那只要对那个法术骰就可以了。
就我理解，目標是一個法術指的是諸如飄浮碟、力場、七彩球等獨立於目標存在的法術，而不包括依附於目標身上的法術。
倒過來看，如果能指定目標身上的法術的話，那又會產生一個新問題是多目標的法術要視作單一法術去解還是多個法術去解。然後，無論怎樣接下去都會有更多的問題...
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是吧，dispel 的目标可以是一个生物，一个物品，或者一个法术，如果你目标是一个生物/物品自然全部上面生效的所有法术效果都要一个个骰，如果你目标是一个法术，那只要对那个法术骰就可以了。
但是DISPEL MAGIC这个法术下面第一段是这样的：
……You can use dispel magic to end ongoing spells that have been cast on a creature or object, to temporarily suppress the magical abilities of a magic item, to end ongoing spells (or at least their effects) within an area, or to counter another spellcaster’s spell.
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有问题是好事。
虽然大部分问题只要看法术描述就自动消灭了
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顺便引用一个10年前讨论这个问题的帖子：http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-discussion/10901-dispel-magic-dispel-single-spell-only-3.html
好像大部人的看法是要是你有办法瞄准一个魔法，那就可以以那个魔法为目标
就是说，可以单独驱散一个火焰护盾，但是不能单独驱散一个牛力这样
和贤者沟通的结果……
My first question to the sage!
Lemme provide three examples:
1) I polymorph an evil fighter into a frog, cast geas on him, and then want to turn him back to himself. Can I dispel the polymorph only, using the dispel magic's option of targeting a spell? (some folks think that the polymorph spell is part of the evil fighter at this point, in the same way his equipment is, and that I can only dispel the polymorph by targeting the fighter, thereby risking my geas)
No (Targeted dispels affect all ongoing effects on a creature, some DMs I know allow you to choose which effects you dispel if you can touch the target or study the target with detect magic and make a Spellcraft check to identify the aura you want to remove).
2) An evil wizard casts a deleterious spell (e.g., OA's backbiter) on my bodyguard's weapon. Can I target the weapon with a dispel magic? (some folks think that since the weapon is attended, I'd have to target the bodyguard instead)
Yes, you can use a targeted dispel to remove an effect from an item (though the spell description doesn't address this option directly). It doesn't matter of the item is attended or not.
2a) Can I target the spell on the weapon with a dispel magic?
Yes, see previous answer.
3) An evil druid casts a spell at me, and suddenly I feel extremely weak. I fail my spellcraft check, so I don't know what she cast; can I still dispel it (assuming it's an ongoing effect)?
Yes, you can target yourself. You don't need to know what an effect is to dispel it.
3a) Would it make a difference if it were an area-effect spell (e.g., it created an invisible cloud of poisonous gas)?
No.
Skip Williams
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Geas不吃dispel magic吧⋯⋯
Skip Williams作为核心三本书的作者之一⋯⋯ 真是拿钱不干活，随口胡说么
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看不懂，求翻译
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My first question to the sage!
Lemme provide three examples:
1) I polymorph an evil fighter into a frog, cast geas on him, and then want to turn him back to himself. Can I dispel the polymorph only, using the dispel magic's option of targeting a spell? (some folks think that the polymorph spell is part of the evil fighter at this point, in the same way his equipment is, and that I can only dispel the polymorph by targeting the fighter, thereby risking my geas)
把一个邪恶战士变成青蛙然后Geas他，然后只驱散掉变形术可以么？（括号省略）
No (Targeted dispels affect all ongoing effects on a creature, some DMs I know allow you to choose which effects you dispel if you can touch the target or study the target with detect magic and make a Spellcraft check to identify the aura you want to remove).
不可以。目标驱散影响生物身上所有生效的效果，有些我认识的DM允许你在碰触目标的情况下或者用侦测魔法辨识目标身上的灵光的情况下选择驱散哪个效果/灵光。
2) An evil wizard casts a deleterious spell (e.g., OA's backbiter) on my bodyguard's weapon. Can I target the weapon with a dispel magic? (some folks think that since the weapon is attended, I'd have to target the bodyguard instead)
有个邪恶法师对我的保镖的武器施展了一个有害法术，我可以以这个武器为目标驱散魔法吗？（有些人认为因为该武器被持有所以我必须以保镖为目标）
Yes, you can use a targeted dispel to remove an effect from an item (though the spell description doesn't address this option directly). It doesn't matter of the item is attended or not.
可以，你可以用目标驱散解除掉物品上的效果（尽管法术描述没有明确指出），与物品是否被持有无关。
2a) Can I target the spell on the weapon with a dispel magic?
Yes, see previous answer.
同上。
3) An evil druid casts a spell at me, and suddenly I feel extremely weak. I fail my spellcraft check, so I don't know what she cast; can I still dispel it (assuming it's an ongoing effect)?
有个邪恶德鲁伊对我施展了一个法术让我变得很虚弱，但我法术辨识败了，所以我不知道是什么法术；我可以驱散吗（假设这是个持续效果）？
Yes, you can target yourself. You don't need to know what an effect is to dispel it.
可以。你可以以自己为目标，也不需要知道究竟是什么效果才能驱散掉它。
3a) Would it make a difference if it were an area-effect spell (e.g., it created an invisible cloud of poisonous gas)?
如果这是个区域性效果，结果会有不同吗（如果这个法术创造了隐形的有毒气体）？
No.
不用翻了吧
Skip Williams
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