純美蘋果園
TRPG討論區 => 研討區 => 3版 討論區 => 主题作者是: blacksarena 于 2011-10-23, 周日 09:25:05
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問題：
1.觸發Inevitable Shot所得到的RBA是什麼動作? Free Action? No Action?
(如果觸發Inevitable Shot所得到的RBA是Free Action，那跟據7月的更新，Inevitable Volley是不是就完全沒意義了?)
2. "Inevitable Shot" 算Attack Power嗎?
(如果Inevitable Shot是Attack Power，那跟據7月的更新，那每turn就只能觸發一次...)
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DM's Chain Magic Missile:
Step1: Make a RBA and Miss*1 (Standard Action)
-> Tigger Inevitable Shot
Step2: Use Inevitable Shot (Free Action)
-> Gain 2 RBA
Step3: Make 1st RBA (Magic Missile) from Inevitable Shot + Inevitable Volley (? Action)
-> Recharge Inevitable Shot by Inevitable Accuracy (Magic Missile "Don't Hit")
Step4: Make 2nd RBA form Inevitable Shot + Inevitalbe Volley and Miss (? Action)
-> Tigger Inevitable Shot (again) and repeat Step2 ~ 4
然後就是被Chain Magic Missile打到死，連直覺中斷/反應的回避或反擊技都無效 (如果觸發條件是hit or miss...)
DM阿DM... 我只是拿來3連 Magic Missile, 你竟然拿來chain magic missile......
*1: DM 使用 "Attack the target that you can not see" 規則
你可以猜測目標所在位置，然後對那個位置發動攻擊，如果你猜錯 (也就是目標不在那) ，那你自動miss...
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From Update
Free Actions
Page 267: Replace the “Free Actions” bullet in the
“The Main Action Types” section with the following
text. This update limits the power of builds that capitalize
on recursive attack power combinations.
✦ Free Action: Free actions take almost no time or
effort. You can take as many free actions as you want
during your or another combatant’s turn. There is
an exception to that rule: A creature can take a free
action to use an attack power only once per turn.
Creatures don’t normally have attack powers that
can be used as free actions, but some powers and
other effects grant the ability to use an attack power
(usually a basic attack) as a free action. For example,
a character might have two different abilities that let
him or her make a melee basic attack as a free action
when their respective triggers occur. If both abilities
are triggered on the same turn, the character can
make only one of the melee basic attacks during that
turn.
From PHB3
Inevitable Shot Seeker Feature
Ever as your target ducks under your shot, the projectile moves
on its own to find another enemy.
Encounter + Primal
Free Action Personal
Trigger: You miss a creature with a ranged attack
Effect: You make a ranged basic attack against an enemy
within 5 squares of the creature you missed, using a
square In that creature's space as the attack's origin
square.
Special: You regain the use of this power when you spend
an action point.
From PHB3
INEVITABLE VOLLEY
Prerequisite: 111th level, seeker, inevitable shot
power
Benefit: When you use your inevitable shot, you
can make two ranged basic attacks instead of one.
each against a different target.
From PHB3
INEVITABLE ACCURACY
Prerequisite: 21st level. seeker, inevitable shot
power
Benefit: When you use your inevitablee shot and
don't hit with it. you regain the use of the power,
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Inevitable Accuracy是don't hit，也就是必须两下都miss才能再打
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Inevitable Accuracy是don't hit，也就是必须两下都miss才能再打
DM says:
From Dragon #381
Automagic Damage
This article introduces some powers that automatically deal damage to one or more enemies.
Keep in mind that because the damage is in the “Effect” line, the powers don’t hit, and therefore
can’t benefit from effects that trigger off of a hit. Also, since the damage is a flat number, it
isn’t considered a damage roll, and therefore it doesn’t benefit from effects that increase the
result of a damage roll (but can still benefit from extra damage that doesn’t require a roll).
and Magic Missile is a "Automagic Damage" power, so magic don't hit... then tigger Inevitable Accuracy
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我看了看，认为inevitable shot本身应当算作free attack，而不是inevitable shot产生的RBA算作free attack
所以一轮不能使用两次
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但事实上这个比较有用的一点是，法师可以通过MC seeker来使得任何时候自己miss了ranged attack就打一发MM
不过似乎法师不会经常打ranged attack，所以也没啥用……
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楼主到底有多痴迷于魔法飞弹，这东西早残了...
痴迷于双刀软炸的最少别人一直强力...
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我看了看，认为inevitable shot本身应当算作free attack，而不是inevitable shot产生的RBA算作free attack
所以一轮不能使用两次
RBA 才算 Free Attack
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搞脑残体直接点那个RBA失手造成XX伤害的feat就好了,和魔法飞弹没半毛钱关系...
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Step3: Make 1st RBA (Magic Missile) from Inevitable Shot + Inevitable Volley (? Action)
-> Recharge Inevitable Shot by Inevitable Accuracy (Magic Missile "Don't Hit")
这步有问题,INEVITABLE ACCURACY需要INEVITABLE VOLLEY的两次攻击都结束后才能决定是否充能
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我看了看，认为inevitable shot本身应当算作free attack，而不是inevitable shot产生的RBA算作free attack
所以一轮不能使用两次
RBA 才算 Free Attack
但是inevitable shot并没有说make an RBA as a free action，我觉得应该认为是No Action？
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我个人是判一个free action的攻击产生两次No Action的攻击,和牛逼软炸的狡诈射击类似
还有楼主那个要求现场有三只怪,还不能相隔太远
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楼主的意思是DM认为每个人可以假装某个格子的位置有怪物而攻击那个格子，如果没有怪算自动miss
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那法师让你打地板你大概要被一直支配下去
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DM弄了個挑戰自己的據情，隊伍被拆散，自己對自己 (的複製體) ...
我的人物剛好是Inevitable Shot + Wizard's Fury三連Magic Missile的舊人物......
然後就被DM用Chain Magic Missile直接K.O.........
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DM弄了個挑戰自己的據情，隊伍被拆散，自己對自己 (的複製體) ...
我的人物剛好是Inevitable Shot + Wizard's Fury三連Magic Missile的舊人物......
然後就被DM用Chain Magic Missile直接K.O.........
你只需要知道这是剧情杀就好了,真扯规则他那套说法按RAW都是说不通的