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TRPG討論區 => 研討區 => 3版 討論區 => 主题作者是: 桑特 于 2010-03-22, 周一 14:00:51
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假如一个进阶职业的要求是有专长:双武器战斗
而此时有一个有这个进阶职业的人由于受到敏捷属性伤害而暂时无法使用双武器战斗专长,是否应该算作由于不满足进阶条件而失去所有能力?
还有如果一个龙脉术士的魅力是10,他受到一个法术的影响导制魅力减到6,使他无法施展术士法术,是否应该算做他这段时间失去一切龙脉术士能力?
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貌似....是的
召唤AD或者猪来给原文
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我認為不失去職業能力。
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我認為不失去職業能力。
那么大家都去买evasion戒指进七弦琴手
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假如一个进阶职业的要求是有专长:双武器战斗
而此时有一个有这个进阶职业的人由于受到敏捷属性伤害而暂时无法使用双武器战斗专长,是否应该算作由于不满足进阶条件而失去所有能力?
还有如果一个龙脉术士的魅力是10,他受到一个法术的影响导制魅力减到6,使他无法施展术士法术,是否应该算做他这段时间失去一切龙脉术士能力?
属性伤害还是属性吸取？
待查文
而且龙脉术士不少能力没有要求必须是具有施法能力才能获得，所以哪怕他魅力降低到0昏迷，他都不应该失去“所有”龙脉术士能力
更何况，因为外因而导致魅力降到10以下，也不代表“失去”施法能力，他只是属性不足以施放目前已知的法术而已
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A character can’t use a feat if he or she has lost a prerequisite.For example, if your character’s Strength drops below 13 because a ray of enfeeblement spell, he or she can’t use the Power Attack feat until the prerequisite is once again met.
以上摘自PHB，P87
原文是CAN'T USE，个人认为这里表示当属性低于专长的先决条件时，只是“不能”使用该专长，但是该专长仍然存在，你并非“失去”了这个专长而又在属性点恢复的时候又再从新“获得”这个专长
龙脉术士的理由同上，你在施法者关键属性低于10的时候，并没有“失去”施法能力。
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如果是我的判斷，首先就不會允許用物品來滿足專長以及進階職業對屬性以及能力的前提要求。
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假如一个进阶职业的要求是有专长:双武器战斗
而此时有一个有这个进阶职业的人由于受到敏捷属性伤害而暂时无法使用双武器战斗专长,是否应该算作由于不满足进阶条件而失去所有能力?
还有如果一个龙脉术士的魅力是10,他受到一个法术的影响导制魅力减到6,使他无法施展术士法术,是否应该算做他这段时间失去一切龙脉术士能力?
就是这样
不过hd、bab、sv不会丢失
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這樣Rule不如直接説不許進階龍脈。
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噢，我没注意那个龙脉
至少就双武来说，严格判法就是那样的
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If my character becomes an assassin, then later changes his alignment from evil to neutral, can he still use the skills he learned as an assassin?
A character who no longer meets the requirements of his prestige class not only can’t advance any further in that class, but he also “loses the benefit of any class features or other special abilities granted by the class,” (CW 16). You retain Hit Dice (and the hit points derived from those Hit Dice), base attack bonus, and base save bonuses granted by the prestige
class.
The rules don’t specifically list skill points (and class skills) as falling into either category; the Sage recommends that the character retain these functions even if he no longer meets the class requirements. So your repentant assassin would lose his sneak attack, death attack, poison use, save bonus against poison, uncanny dodge, improved uncanny dodge, and hide in plain sight class features, as well as his assassin spell casting and any weapon and armor proficiencies gained from the class. He’d keep the skill ranks he bought with his assassin levels, as well as the hit points, base attack, and base save bonuses gained from the class levels. He also couldn’t gain any more assassin levels until his alignment returned to evil (at which point he’d also regain the various features he lost when his alignment changed to non-evil).
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对的
我们都是6魅力的扳手诗人进龙脉！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！
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如果是我的判斷，首先就不會允許用物品來滿足專長以及進階職業對屬性以及能力的前提要求。
能够施展“侦测思想”或者拥有心灵感应头盔的施法者有时也进阶这个职业。
不明这个"心灵感应头盔"的深意...请姐姐赐教...... :em003
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难道装备上带的也算施法能力 :em003
但一想戴手套玩双武器的都有，难道这个不行？
这个世界真可怕 :em003
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直接由物品获得专长是可以，但是物品提供的专长不能作为自己升级时获得专长的前提丫
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姐姐显然说的是一般情况
特殊大于一般啊
这还有什么深意
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根据FAQ, 装备可以.
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如果是我的判斷，首先就不會允許用物品來滿足專長以及進階職業對屬性以及能力的前提要求。
能够施展“侦测思想”或者拥有心灵感应头盔的施法者有时也进阶这个职业。
不明这个"心灵感应头盔"的深意...请姐姐赐教...... :em003
都说了“如果是我的判断”了。
我倒也不是很明白你这个问题的深意，赐教一下？
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带不出深意来的粗人飘过 :em001
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根据FAQ, 装备可以.
求详细……
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When my human uses polymorph* to take the form of another creature, he loses any extraordinary special attacks and qualities. Does this include his bonus feat and bonus skill points? If so, how do I figure out which feat and skill points are derived from his racial traits?
A human’s bonus feat and bonus skill points—like most other racial traits—are considered extraordinary qualities, and thus are lost when the character would lose such abilities (including when polymorphed). This is a good reason to keep track of which feat is your human bonus feat, since it might have wide-reaching effects. (For instance, if Dodge was your bonus feat, you’d lose the benefits of any other feats that have Dodge as a prerequisite, such as Mobility and Spring Attack.)
Keeping track of where your bonus skill points are spent is more onerous, and likely less significant to play. If most of your skills are maxed out (that is, their rank equals your level +3, or half that for a cross-class skill), it’s probably easiest simply to designate one skill as the repository for all your bonus skill points. For ease of play, some DMs ignore this side effect, but doing so represents a clear benefit granted to humans. Be aware that players of nonhuman characters can resent this “freebie.”
*The question and answer uses “polymorph” to refer specifically to spells that rely on the polymorph or alter self spell to adjudicate their effect (including alter self, polymorph, polymorph any object, and shapechange), psionic powers based on the metamorphosis power (including metamorphosis and greater metamorphosis), and any other effect based on either of these lists.
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Can a character wearing heavy armor use Whirlwind Attack (PH 102)? A character cannot use Spring Attack (PH 100), a prerequisite for this feat, in heavy armor.
Just because you’re barred from benefiting from a feat doesn’t mean that you don’t have it any more. A character incapable of using Spring Attack due to wearing heavy armor still has the feat, and thus still meets the prerequisites for Whirlwind Attack.
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實話説幾乎沒有人會按嚴格的方式判的。
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:em003 rulelawyer什么的最讨厌了
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那个只是说每日施展次数多，因此强化这方面会更有利吧……如果是个德鲁伊完全不会施展这个法术，就算有头盔也进不了吧
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还有，虽然双武是会暂时无法使用，但是龙脉术士应该是特例。先决条件中的自发施法能力一方面是作为对血脉存在的证明，一方面是利用魔法力量对自己的身体进行改造，而改造的结果是不会因为施法能力的暂时丧失而消失的。
以上是某的看法。
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口胡，这竟然是坟么！
悲剧的火狐，悲剧的系统还原，悲剧的还原上次访问的网页
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其实我想借坟问一下
像圣徒这种需要三个前提专长的模板，如果某个专长是用人类奖励选的，那么在变身之后这个模板的能力是否也会失去？
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圣徒那个模板是说“此人应当品德高尚并至少具备了三个崇善专长等BLABLABLA之后，DM才可以考虑给予他此模板”的吧？个人感觉三个崇善专长是衡量该PC是否高尚的量化标准，而并不是说是如果进阶职业一样的先决条件。
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嗯我也觉得是这样%>_<%
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于是，物品带来的效果到底可否作为前提呢？或者说，并非自身能力而是其他临时效果的话，这些临时效果可否在进阶、选择专长、制造物品等场合用来满足前提条件呢？
比如，蜂鸟魔宠带给主人精通先攻，这可否用来满足法师杀手的专长要求？要是进阶后魔宠死了呢？
还有属性不足是否算是能施法？用道具变成能施法是否可行？
比如智力属性不足以施展2级奥术的法师/牧师，可否靠智力头带获得足够智力来进阶秘术师？或者是不用头带就能进阶？若需要头带，去掉头带是否会导致秘术师能力丧失？